2. John Gill c1715-1797; born c1715 (also given in some family documents as born c1738, which is more consistent with children's births!) in Edinburgh, Scotland (given in some family references as Ireland) died in 1797 in Chester Co., SC, married c1748 Sarah Duncan of Scotland. {Hendleman ibid p83 states that he married second an Agnes, but I (FOC) think he has confused the records of John Gill son of Robert David Gill. I do not think this man was ever married to an Agnes, as his widow is listed as Sarah. John Gill born ca 1753 died1791 who married Agnes was the son of Robert David Gill. John Gill c1715-1797 lived first in NJ, then Lancaster Co., PA, then Chester District, SC. (ibid p83). John Gill migrated to America from Ireland some time between 1732 and 1748. An ancient oral tradition states that in 1732 "he was living with an old Irish weaver, and was certainly engaged in learning the weaver's trade. About this time, a difference occurred between the boy and his master, in terminating which John (sic) exhibited a trait of character. ... The old weaver had assigned to the boy the difficult and delicate task of filling quills and at once reproved the boy.

"The old weaver must have manifested great rage, for the boy told his companions - some of whom lived to reach these shores - 'that if the hank of thread he was quilling should break he would leave the country and never return to be punished by the old weaver again.' He kept his word. Steadily he tramped on the treadle, slowly filling quill after quill until the old winding blades had but four threads left. ... They broke, and the determined boy ... turned his back upon the old weaver and set his face towards the colonies. The ship, after a rough passage finally dropped her anchor in the harbor of (possibly) New York.

"John Gill walked ashore without ... a pence in his pocket and cast his lot with the courageous pioneers of the new world." Hendleman states: "when John Gill left Ireland, he apparently did so with his real parents and family. They may possibly have gone to Ireland from Scotland for a time before immigrating to the US." (FOC) To the best of my knowledge,  all Irish should be Catholic, or perhaps, from County Armagh, of the Church of England, but not Presbyterians. I believe the staunch Presbyterian nature speaks for Scots.  Many Scottish Presbyterians were removed to northern Ireland by the English in an effort to bring the Irish to heal, but many of them did not remain, and removed to North America.

"About the year 1748, John Gill married a Miss (Sarah) Duncan who was a Scotch (sic, Scottish, Scotch is a whiskey- FOC) lady, and the young couple settled in what was then called the colony of New Jersey." Family Bibles show the family in NJ in 1760.

Hendleman states that John removed to North America with his brother Robert Gill (1720-1804) and Hugh Cooper and his wife "Ellen of Scotland." (ibid "from the Hugh Cooper family Bible"). John Gill was a blacksmith and apprenticed his nephew, Robert Cooper, son of Hugh.

Family Bible records reveal that these Gill families did not reside in the same states at the same time. John Gill, Sr., was in New Jersey at least from 1757 through 1761, and Pennsylvania in 1764. Robert David Gill was in Lancaster, PA from 1754 through 1758. William Gill, asuming correct assignment of children, was in Lancaster, PA from 1753 through 1764.

In 1766 or 1767 Robert Gill moved down the "Great Wagon Road" to Chester Co., SC, apparently with John Gill. Hendleman states that even "the dogs in Chester Dist. were Presbyterians."  This means they were Scotts.

1767 John Gill received a land grant by the Gov. of NC later found to have been located in SC. (1768?) 500a granted 25 April 1768 situated on Craft's Branch of the South Fork of Fishing Ck., grant made by Wm. Tryon in the Province of NC (from Chester Co. Deed Bk. A p124).

1767. Memorial Vol. 11 page 453. S. Carolina John Gill 500 Acres 2t No.T 4/Pro. N Patent. A Memorial exhibited by John Gill to be registered in the Auditor's Office Agreeable to order of Council to a Condition of the Grant hereafter Mentioned of a plantation or track of Land Containing 5 Acres Situate as Supposed when run out to be in Mecklenburgh County N.Carolina upon Craft branch of the S. fork of Fishing Creek beginning at Crafts Corner black oak running thence with his line NSW21 poles to his other Corner two black Jacks then with Johnston's Corners Lines SgW210 poles to a black Jack thence S81 E35 poles to a post on or near the line of an old Survey then nearly with the line of Samuel Porter NgE3 poles to a black Saplin thence N81W140 pole to a Stake in Crafts Cooper line then with Line SgW90 poles to the beginning Granted the 25th April 1767 to John Gill by Tryon 2s No44 propersas? Acres but by a late resurvey of the boundary line between N&S Carolina the above tract of Land falls within the province of S. Carolina in Craven County therefore the Memorial requires this his Memorial may be entered in the Auditor Generals Office of this Province. In Witness Whereof he hath hereunto Set his hand the 13 of Oct. 1772 Hugh White.

(Andrea record #10 the above memorial) By lands of Johnston & Cramer & of lands of Samuel Porter said lands granted 25 April 1767 by Governor of NC to said John Gill and now found to have been in Craven Co., SC. Return made by Hugh White for John Gill 13 Oct 1772 (Andrea: "Often the owner not desiring to make the trip to Charleston to make the memorial return would commission a neighbor to make the return for him"). In order to be on the NC line, this must be either York, Lancaster (unlikely), or more likely Chesterfield Co. Two of John Gill, Sr. of Fishing Ck.'s daughters married Porters, so this may be a Chester reference. There were two Hugh Whites in the 1790 census, one in York Co. and one in Lancaster Co.

1767 (Mr. Andrea's records #10) John Gill 11-453 (or 153?) memorial for 500a land laid off in Mecklinburg Co., NC, granted 25 Apr. 1767 by the Governor of NC to John Gill and now found to have been in Craven Co., SC. Mrs. Hicks states that John Gill and wife Sarah sold part of this tract in Chester Co.

1770 Dec. 6 100a in Craven on the great road from the South Fork of the Catawba River to Charleston, bounds to the North on land of John Gill and vacant land. Book XXX p75-78 (Mrs. Hicks Apr. 1986 p36).

1770. Sarah Hodge, Memorial for 350 acres in Craven Co., 1770/08/21 (0030 002 0010 00198 02). This record needs more work. Could this be a record of John son of Thomas?

1772 John Gill plat150a on Rockey Ck., Craven Co., 20 Mar. 1772, part sold in 1790 to Wm. Lewis in Chester Co., SC., and part deeded by him to John Gill, Jr. in 1796 (Mrs. Hicks, Apr. 1986 p6).

1772 (Mrs. Crowder:) SC Memorial Returns Vol. 11 page 453 (similar to a tax return on land grants) Memorial for 500a land laid off in Mecklinburg Co., NC on Fishing Ck. but later found to be in SC bounded by lands of Johnston, Conner, and Samuel Porter, said lands granted 25 April 1767 by the Governor of NC and now found to be in Craven Co., SC. This return was made by Hugh White for John Gill on 13 Oct. 1772. (Mrs. Crowder still) "Note: this was often done, the owner of the land not wishing to make the long trip to Charleston would commission a neighbor to make the return for him. Also note this is the same land, stated in the deed to have been granted 1768, which probably was an error in copying on the part of the clerk.

1772 (Andrea record #10) By lands of Johnston & Cramer & of lands of Samuel Porter said lands granted 25 April 1767 by Governor of NC to said John Gill and now found to have been in Craven Co., SC. Return made by Hugh White for John Gill 13 Oct. 1772 (Andrea: "Often the owner not desiring to make the trip to Charleston to make the memorial return would commission a neighbor to make the return for him"). To be on the NC line, this must be either York, Lancaster (unlikely), or Chesterfield Co. Two of John Gill, Sr. of Fishing Ck.'s daughters married Porters.

1772 John Gill 200 acres on Rocky Ck., Craven Co. 20 Oct. 1772, grant. (Mrs. Hicks Apr. 1986 p7) (Andrea record #6) John Gill received a land grant before the Revolution, Index I, for 200 acres on Rocky Creek in Craven County on 20 Oct. 1772. (looks like 20 March to me) There are many Rocky Creeks in Mill's Atlas, in districts: Abbeville (2), Chester (2), Edgefield(4), Fairfield, Lexington, Newberry, & Union. A Rocky Ck. is in the upper NE corner between Fairfield and Chester Co.s on Mill's Atlas. (0009 003 0016 00101 02) John Gill, Sr. of Chester Co., who married Elizabeth Wallace, sold this land partly to his son John Gill, Jr.:"(Mrs. Crowder p73) (Andrea #152) "John Gill plat dated 20 Mar. 1772 (looks like 17 Dec. 1772 to me) for 150 acres on Rocky Creek in Craven County and by lands of Hugh Steward, George Weir, and James Walker." These neighbors are very similar to those in the Crane Creek branch of Little River above. There is a "Rock" Creek flowing into the Broad River within a few miles of a branch of the Little River. Does this plat refer to the above piece of land with Memorial in 1772? This Creek is quite close to the Chester Co. line on Mill's Atlas. (0030 002 0012 00041 02) This record is clearly a Chester John Gill, Sr. reference: 1790 Chester Co. Deed Bk C p318 sg. 5 Oct. 1790, John Gill, Sr. of Chester Co., farmer, a land deed to Wm. Lewis, of same ... 150a on Rockey Ck., being part of two grants: one made 18 May 1771 to George Weir & by him sold 20 Jan. 1777 to John Gill, & a second tract granted 20 Oct. 1772 to the said John Gill. Wit: Wm. Whiteside, James Gill. 1793 John Gill, Sr. deed to William Lewis (Mrs. Hicks Apr. 1986 p10). 1796 Apr. 1 sg., Chester Co. Deed Book G p112, John Gill, Sr. of Chester, a land deed to John Gill, Jr. of same, £50 sterling, 150a land being part of two tracts -1- granted to George Weir & by him sold 20 Jan. 1777 to John Gill, -2- the other being part of a tract originally granted 20 Oct. 1772 to John Gill. Wit: James Gill, Abraham Gill, John Mullon.

1772: John Gill Memorial 12-41 150a on Crane Ck. a branch of Little River. Bd: Elihugh Stewart, George Weeks, James Walker. Granted 20 Oct. 1772, Return made by Robert Cooper 24 Dec. 1772 (Mrs. Hicks Apr.1986 p7)(Andrea record # 11). Mr. Andrea concluded from this 1772 memorial that John Gill had "a wife and one child or dependent under the age of 16." I think this conclusion was based upon the size of the grant. (Andrea: there is a Crane Creek in Richland County. FOC: the only Crane Creek in Mill's Atlas is in Richland Co.!) This appears to be John Gill, Sr. of Chester, except for the one child conclusion. According to extant records, John Gill, Sr. had to have had at least three children still at home in 1772, and probably five. According to the census, John of Barnwell had one son born 1765-82. The Little River is mostly in Fairfield Co., to the north of Richland Co. The only Crane Ck. in Mill's Atlas is in Richland Co. entering the Broad R. perhaps 2 miles north of the fork between the Broad R. and Saluda R. Mills does not show this Crane Ck. as touching the Little River. Cooper is a Fishing Ck. Gill allied family. Identifiable Chester deeds place these families adjacent to the Chester John Gill. (0002 005 0026 00716 00) The Chester John Gill, Sr. does not seem to have ever disposed of this piece of land, so it may be a genuine record of John, son of Thomas. This record needs more work. I am not sure to whom it belongs!

1772 October 20 "Many other land grant records, including 200a granted to John Gill on Rocky Ck., Craven Co.which land he partly sold to son John Gill married Elizabeth Wallace."( Mrs. Crowder p73)

1774 Andrea #137: Gill in deed of Christopher Straight of Mecklenburg Co., NC to John Gill and his wife Sarah Gill (see #118) 2 Sept. 1774 of 500a land on Fishing Creek. Wit: George Gill, James Cooper.

1774: Deed Book A p124 Chester Co. SC sg. 2 Sept. 1774 recorded 1786, John Gill and Sarah his wife of Camden Dist. Craven Co., St. Mark's Parish, province of SC, a land deed to Christopher Strait of the same, a blacksmith, for £100 sells 67a being a part of 500a originally granted to the said John Gill 25 April 1768 in NC and sit. on Craft's Branch of the South Fork of Fishing Ck., the original grant made by Wm. Tryon and supposedly in the Province of NC but by the extension of the boundary found to be in the Province of SC and Craven Co. Adj: Craft & Davis. wit: George Gill (Andrea says in the house of John Walker), James Cooper. (Also Andrea #146)

1785 April Minutes of Chester Co. Court p3: John Gill, James Burns, and John Caskie are by the Court appointed surveyors of the Charleston Road from the line of York Co. above Wm. Adairs as far as Chester Co. extends downwards ...

c1785 Revolutionary File AA 2831 for John Gill Sr., rendered service and furnished supplies. On 17 Feb. 1785 at Jeffries Ck., SC (Andrea says Jeffries Ck. is in Cheraw Dist. #74), he assigns his indent to John Mills to be collected. John Mills was a son in law of his brother, Robert David Gill, and identifies this as a Fishing Creek Gill record. The "senior" designation was apparently only used by this John Gill at this time.

1786 Chester Co. Deed Book A p105 sg. 3 Jan. 1786, John Gill & Sarah his wife of Chester Co., SC a land deed to Josiah Porter for £62/10 sterling ... 200a sit. in Chester Co. on Craft's Branch ... waters of Fishing Ck. adj: Edward Craft's corner, being the east end of 500a originally granted to said John Gill by state of NC, etc. Wit: Samuel Porter, James Gill, Robert Gill. Proved in Court 19 April 1786 (Mins. Chester Co. p35)

1786 April 20 John Gill served as juror four times, including case of State against Archibald Gill (Min. Chester Co. p36). 1786 October 5 ditto (ibid p67), & "On the Oath and motion of John Gill he is allowed £1 2s & 6 for nine days attendance as a Witness in behalf of John Owin at the suit of Drury Glover (ibid p69)

1787 July, John Gill, Senior served on the Petit Jury (Min.Ches.Ct. p83). 1787 July 4, John Gill against Thomas Wallace & Workman, in Debt, Came the Plaintiff by Daniel Brown, Gentleman, his Attorney, and the Defendants failing to appear on the Motion of the Plaintiff by his Attorney aforesaid Ordered that Judgement be entered by default & a Jury to Enquire of Damages at next Court. (Min.Ches.Ct. p95)

1788 Oct. 4: John Gill against Thomas Wallace & Jno. Workman, in Debt. Came the Plaintiff (Gill) by Daniel Brown, Gentleman, his Attorney aforesaid, thereupon came also a Jury to wit. ... do say the Defendants doth owe the Debt in the Declaration mentioned amounting to £14 13s sterling whereupon it is considered by the Court that the Plaintiff recover against the said Defts the s.d sum ... together with his Costs by him about his suit in this behalf expended and he the said Defense in Mercy etc. (Mins.Ches. Ct. p110). 1788 April 10: John Gill against John Service, On a Peto by Note. On the parties being heard it is considered by the Court that the Plt. Recover against the said Defendant the sum of (blank?) together with his Costs ... (Mins.Ches.Ct. p132). 1788 Oct. 8: John Gill proved Deed of Martha & Robert Lamonds to Samuel Lacey (Min.Ches.Ct. p148)

John Gill, Sr., and wife Sarah appear in the 1790 census in Chester Co., SC with 2 males >16 (himself & John, Jr.), 1 male <16 (Wm. Gill), 3 f, and 2 slaves.

1790 Chester Co. Deed Bk C p318 sg. 5 Oct. 1790, John Gill, Sr. of Chester Co., farmer, a land deed to Wm. Lewis, of same ... 150a on Rockey Ck., being part of two grants: one made 18 May 1771 to George Weir & by him sold 20 Jan. 1777 to John Gill, & a second tract granted 20 Oct. 1772 to the said John Gill. Wit: Wm. Whiteside, James Gill. 1793 John Gill, Sr. deed to William Lewis (Mrs. Hicks Apr. 1986 p10).

1796 Apr 1 sg., Chester Co. Deed Book G p112, John Gill, Sr. of Chester, a land deed to John Gill, Jr. of same, £50 sterling, 150a land being part of two tracts -1- granted to George Weir & by him sold 20 Jan. 1777 to John Gill, -2- the other being part of a tract originally granted 20 Oct. 1772 to John Gill. Wit: James Gill, Abraham Gill, John Mullon.

Andrea Record #138: John Gill, Sr. for Love and Affection executes Deed to John Gill, Jr. of lands on Fishing Creek. Wit: James Gill, Abram Gill, James Milling.

Mrs. Crowder states: no other John Gill in Chester Co. in 1796 but John Gill with wife Sarah. "It will be noted that John Gill son of Robert & Eleanor died 1791, and no John Gill was left in this area except the infant of John Gill died 1791, John Gill wife Sarah and the adult son of John and Sarah who later married Elizabeth Wallace. The deeds in which John Gill, Sr. sell land to Wm. Lewis and John Gill, Jr. have no dower, but I have numerous instances of such in the SC records and the dower law was very lax in this State. I am told that the dower was not obligatory unless the land sold was part of the tract upon which the residence or home was situated at that time.

1797 Feb. 2 sg. Will File 21-334 Rec. 5 Sept. 1797 Chester Co., SC. John Gill, farmer of Chester Co., SC, names in his will "Sarah ... well beloved wife" "... to have all household & kitchen furniture ... beds tables chests, trunks, pots, pewter, earthenware, ... & a mulatto girl Amy, ... one young black mare, two cows, her choice of the stock & a suit of black mourning apparel..." "My plantation & goods are to be sold at public vendue but until the sale the plantation is to be operated for the benefit of William, my son & Sarah my wife ..." He also left: son Thomas Gill, 10 shillings, son George Gill 10 shillings, also Ex., son James Gill 10 shillings, son Robert Gill 10 shillings, son John Gill £11 sterling also Ex., dau. Rachel Porter £5 sterling, dau. Sarah Porter £1 sterling, son Wm. Gill "to have the residue of my estate..." son in law Josiah Porter Ex. Wit: James Fowler, Abram Gill, Agnes (Angus?) X McIlhaney. Papers in file: dated 1798 "Inventory of John Gill, Sr. (Mrs. Crowder) "This to my mind identifies this man, wife Sarah, as the same John Gill who, as John Gill, Sr. sold land to John Gill, Jr. (his son) & which land the same John Gill (Jr.) and wife Elizabeth afterwards sold stating then he was of York Co. formerly of Chester Co., SC."

"For some reason which is not clear from the papers in the file, this will was not treated as a simple will, but as an administration with the will annexed. William Gill 27 July 1797 made bond as Administrator of his father's estate and Archibald Gill and James Pagan were bondsmen. One wonders if the brothers who received such a small legacy contested the will. Tthere is no proven date on the will, and it was not recorded until 5 Sept. 1797. Appraisers of the estate were: Thomas Wallace, James Hemphill, Archibald Gill.

Mrs Crowder: "This John Gill seems to have lived first in New Jersey where his older children were born, then he removed to Pennsylvania, probably to join Robert Gill and family for the trip South. He seems to have remained in Pennsylvania from 1763/4 till 1766/67 when no doubt he came down in the same party as Robert Gill and family." "The family of Robert Gill (Robert David Gill, FOC) does not fit the four brothers who served in the revolution and were all living in 1833 when Robert Gill (born 1764) made his first application for a pension. Only the family of this John Gill wife Sarah meets the requirements." "I am sure John Gill and Sarah were parents of these four boys, and that the younger four children were their younger children.

Known Children of John Gill married Sarah

  1. John Gill (Jr.) born before 1796-21=1775 wife Elizabeth
  2. William Gill either youngest or unmarried at death of his father.
  3. Thomas Gill
  4. George Gill
  5. James Gill
  6. Robert Gill
  7. Rachel Gill married a Porter, one marriedJosiah Porter
  8. Sarah Gill married a Porter, one married Josiah Porter

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